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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number

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643 for the 7th of february

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20 21 richard saunders coming to you

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from sydney australia

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where the birds are waking up

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don't know what that one is coming up on

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this week's show

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not birds well i don't know maybe test

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your esp

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yes that old fashioned term esp this

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comes from 1977

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in the magazine the australian women's

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weekly from the middle

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of the 70s when esp

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was all the rage and bigfoot and ufos

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and all that sort of stuff

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test your esp this is a strange item

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where you give yourself a running total

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a running score

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well see how you go following that it's

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more logical fallacies with the fabulous

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michelle bickersma

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this week michelle looks at the appeal

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to common sense

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which is when somebody simply asserts

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their conclusion as being obvious and

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the fact

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then it's the welcome return of the book

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of tim

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with tim mendom yes tim came over to the

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studios just the other day

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sat down and recorded many weeks worth

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of the book of tim

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and it was quite something because

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the aircraft noise is very quiet now

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downturn flights and things like that

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but for some reason when tim came over

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and sat down and started to record

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suddenly we were getting all sorts of

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aircraft coming over but nevertheless

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we sort of recorded around the aircraft

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and luckily also the people next door

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weren't renovating their kitchen anymore

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the book of tim this week tim looks at

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magicians ethics names laws and

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more then to round off our continuing

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into the unknown from the 1950s in our

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trove section

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and this week the panel the

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investigating panel

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look at spirit healing and what we

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discover over the next couple of weeks

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in this segment

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is that that fed from the 1980s

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channeling

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like shirley maclean was into and so on

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where people would put on funny voices

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and pretend to be ancient spirits

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well i thought that was a new ish sort

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of thing

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in the 80s but we discover oh no that's

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been going on for a very long time

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so no matter where you are in the world

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i hope you're enjoying a bit of down

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time being the weekend if you're not

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listening to this on the weekend then

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maybe you can find some

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down time to relax anyway and what

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better way to relax than listening to

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the skeptic zone podcast but now it's

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time for me to run downstairs

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inspired by the great prediction project

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the great psychic prediction project

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i've been working on with the team

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now for some time i think i might have a

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serve of waffles because a lot of the

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fall under the category of waffle so

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some nice waffles with canadian

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maple syrup while i do that i hope you

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now some time ago i ran a search in

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which we referred to frequently on the

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skeptic zone for the word psychic and

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things like that

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and i discovered a page from the

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weekly dated october the 19th 1977

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ah the 70s what a wonderful time that

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was for ufos bigfoot's

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loch ness monster and psychics of course

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yuri geller was still running around

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bending spoons he still is he still is

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running around bending spoons

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talk about a long career

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and a lot was still unknown in the

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that's much the same today

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hmm maybe we're living in a time warp

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or seen a ghost test your esp

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extra sensory perception with these

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practical tests on telepathy and a quiz

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for a practical test in image telepathy

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the usual parapsychology symbols of a

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now for the quiz first read the

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transfiguration transformation into

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in the mirror or any individual

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visions as a result of drugs score

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bending or moving objects such as yuri

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or healing score nil for poltergeist

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and possibly explain some instances

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known as deja vu

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seen before if a precognitive dream is

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forgotten

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when the real event happens score five

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if you have experienced deja vu score

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five if you have experienced deja vu

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let's go couldn't resist that one score

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10

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if a dream recall has been subsequently

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confirmed

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by the facts score five if you have

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rebirth some people believe

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we live through many lives known as

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reincarnation

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occasionally one can get through by

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personal vision

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automatic writing or by some other

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medium

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some insight which relates to one's self

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if this happens to you personally

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and not through another individual such

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as a clairvoyant

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score 10 or a

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the aura or energy field can be

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photographed by the kurlian

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method or seen by the naked eye

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score 5 each for seeing auras of people

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animals plants and trees or colored

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auras

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clairvoyance seeing clear audience

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hearing clear sentience sensing or

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feeling these are all intrinsic parts of

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the increased awareness involved in esp

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score 10 points each for the ability to

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see

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hear or sense a ghost even if this has

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occurred only once

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scores few readers if any will attain a

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full score

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in fact many practicing clairvoyants are

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unlikely to achieve more than

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about half the total marks

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so do not be disappointed if your score

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is low

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the fact that you even attempted such a

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quiz is evidence of your

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interest in awareness

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nil score are you certain you're alive

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10 to 15 you probably have

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more problems than most people your

345
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preoccupation with these problems makes

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you

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inattentive and this creates more

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problems

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work on expanding your awareness

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15 to 25 you are

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reasonably aware but could be too

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materialistic in your outlook

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25 to 35 on the threshold of really

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discovering what life is about

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a good score 35 to 45

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an intuitive human being trust your

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intuition and hunches

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[Music]

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over 45 yes you are psychic

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use esp never abuse it relax

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and that comes to us from the australian

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woman's weekly

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october the 19th 1977

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as retrieved through the trove archives

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at trove.nla.gov

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[Music]

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and maybe you have come to the

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conclusion which

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i have after reading that page

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that it was simply a page to fill out a

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page in a magazine of the time

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it's just something the editors at the

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time thought readers would find

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i don't suspect for any moment they had

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but then again at the time there were a

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lot of people who

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um were very interested in things like

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this and again

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the use of the term esp which you no

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longer hear

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it's really gone out of fashion and up

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until

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then i think mystics and psychics and so

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on were sort of shrouded in a bit of

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mystery and a bit of showmanship and

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then came along urigella

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who was just this everyday guy

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who seemed to be some innocent who

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somehow had these powers and wasn't

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really sure what was going on but

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wasn't really playing the part of a

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showman

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and that sort of translates a little bit

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in more recent decades to john edward

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who sort of comes across as this

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everyday guy who can

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uh talk to the dead i mean they don't

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come on stage with a cape and a wand or

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a or something like that so it's uh it's

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part of the persona they project

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anyway i wonder how you scored on that

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quiz

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i think i'm hovering around the nil

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score myself

405
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but if you did score over 45 well you

406
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can

407
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send me a telepathic message about it

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the earth is only six thousand years old

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that's what answers in genesis and the

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creation museum

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say and how can a museum be wrong

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isn't dr oz just wonderful i loved

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today's episode

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it didn't talk down to his adoring

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audience of women

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at all science has proved that the

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subatomic

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quantum realm is as real as it is

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counterintuitive and bizarre

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therefore i can use it to support

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quantum healing and quantum

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consciousness

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after all how can journals like aquarius

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metaphysics be wrong

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evolution is just a theory after all if

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we came from monkeys then why are there

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still monkeys

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more

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well if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

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never getting anywhere

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we have a solution for you join the

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and we will teach you how to add

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reliable scientific and skeptical

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information

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to the world's number one source of

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information wikipedia

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existing ones we remove pseudoscience

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paranormal and ultimate claims

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substituting the actual facts

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and we operate in many languages we've

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join us all you need is a pc and the

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desire to help educate the planet

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in fact you'll be educating the world

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while you sleep contact

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important that critical thinkers should

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know about them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning

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but it usually crops up when we are

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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due to intellectual laziness

468
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they are traps we can fall into but if

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we know what to look out for

470
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we can spot them when they occur and

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this time we'll look at the appeal to

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common sense

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version

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of the alleged certainty

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it occurs when somebody simply asserts

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their

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conclusion as an obvious fact however

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it may not necessarily be so

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when a person appeals to our common

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sense

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they are making the assumption that it's

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knowledge we all share

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and can be taken for granted as correct

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due to our perceived

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universal human experience however

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there are times when we can be caught

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out

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and what is really happening is that we

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are relying on

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intuition folklore or beliefs

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for which we have never truly examined

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the evidence

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i heard someone say they are not going

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to wait for a vaccine

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that might take years to develop they're

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going to drink

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whiskey and might even investigate

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injecting a type of

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disinfectant if they think they may have

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come into contact with the person who

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has coveted 19

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it's just common sense you don't need to

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be a medical expert to know that

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alcohol kills viruses it's true that

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alcohol will kill viruses and therefore

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it is safe to assume that using wipes or

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sprays with sufficient quantities of

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alcohol

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are going to be effective in killing

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pathogens in our homes

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this is common knowledge and correct

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hygiene practices

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have become common sense to a great

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extent

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however it does not follow that once

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ingested

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that the same will occur with

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disinfectants inside our bodies

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not only will it be ineffective there is

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a risk of

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poisoning or even death depending on the

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substance

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if you really think about it it kind of

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makes sense that some people think the

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earth is flat

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and think that people on the bottom of

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the globe would simply

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fall off if it was a sphere have you

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ever tipped something upside down

530
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and seen what happens all of us have

531
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witnessed what happens when we tip

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something out and it appears to

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fall in a downwards direction

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most of us are also aware of the story

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of isaac newton and the apple falling

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from the tree

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and know that it's due to gravity

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however

539
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whilst we may think it is common sense

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that things fall downwards

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gravity actually pulls us towards the

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center of the globe

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making it appear that the ground is at

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the bottom

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and the sky is at the top wherever we

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may be standing

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my teacher friend asked her students to

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take a quiz to see what their

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preferred learning styles are as they

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say in education

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students learn best when teaching styles

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are matched to their learning styles

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it's highly intuitive to believe that

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students learn

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best when the way information is

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presented to them

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is in a form that suits the way they

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prefer to learn

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for example this assumes that the

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student who favors a visual style of

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learning

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will then perform best when information

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is presented in a visual format

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such as pictures graphs video etc

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apparently 97 of educators believe this

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to be true

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and it appears to be plain common sense

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however under scientific conditions this

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has

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not proved to be correct research shows

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that around

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70 of students do not choose to learn

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according to their preferences but

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choose

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multiple styles of learning instead

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furthermore they perform no better

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when given information in a way that

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matches their preferred learning styles

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than when that information is presented

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in another style

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it has proven to be important that the

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focus should be on the quality

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and suitability of the delivery of the

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information

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not on the learning style of the student

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[Music]

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according to voltaire common sense is

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not so

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common although this is a slur

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it is really quite a subjective form of

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knowledge

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it can very much depend on our geography

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culture historicity

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personal experiences etc

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as it is not derived from objective

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facts

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as skeptics it is important to keep this

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in mind

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and always seek the evidence rather than

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succumb to

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intellectual laziness and take common

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sense

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for granted as it is not necessarily

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reliable

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and can't necessarily be asserted

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and even knowing its name

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is important when arguing your point of

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view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

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to your opponent when you hear it being

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used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times

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[Music]

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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oh hi maynard oh hi heidi

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great day in this park yeah if you like

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that sort of thing

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look over there a yowie there are no

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such things as yowie silly

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hmm might be just a

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dog a big dog i think it's a king

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charles spaniel

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thing no no no no no it's a yowie

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maynard

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if it's a choice between it being a dog

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or a yowie

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no no no it's a yowie yeah we yeah

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yeah we argument from authority it's a

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yowie

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hey you two what are you arguing about

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maynard thinks that dog looking thing

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over there is a yowie

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a yowie or maybe

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i see okay we better look this up in the

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skeptics dictionary

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online the skeptic's dictionary online

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it features definitions

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arguments and essays on hundreds of

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strange beliefs amusing descriptions and

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00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,000
dangerous delusions it also features

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dozens of entries on logical

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fallacies cognitive biases perception

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science

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and philosophy it's at

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right heidi prepared to be

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amazed okay we ah

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here it is it's under bigfoot it says

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most scientists discount the evidence of

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bigfoot because the evidence supporting

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belief in the survival of the

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prehistoric biped ape-like creature

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of such dimensions is scant

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you know maybe that is just chewbacca

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thank you skeptics dictionary online

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[Music]

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and now a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

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with tim mendham

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hi my name is tim menden i'm the

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executive officer of australian skeptics

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and editor of our magazine the skeptic

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today i'm talking about the what goes

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around column which is a regular feature

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of the magazine

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and this one's from the december 2016

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issue which is volume 36 number four

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which you can look up on our website and

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download for free

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this one covers magicians ethics names

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and laws and follows on the principle

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that where you start

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you can go around through a whole

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progress of connections and end up

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where you started from

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so we're looking at magic which is

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sometimes referred to as stage or street

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magic

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to distinguish it from paranormal or

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ritual magic

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this magic is one of the oldest

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performing arts in the world

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in which audiences are entertained by

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stage tricks or illusions

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of seemingly impossible or supernatural

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feats using natural means

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the term magic etymologically derived

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from the greek word

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magia persian priests called magosh in

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persian

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came to be known as magui in greek

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ritual acts of persian priests came to

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be known as magaya

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and then magika which eventually came to

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mean

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any foreign unorthodox or illegitimate

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ritual practice

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the term magi in the bible derives from

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the plural of the latin

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magus though in this case it refers

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presumably

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to their role in the zoroastrian

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religion

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the first book containing explanations

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of magic and magic tricks

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was the discovery of witchcraft by

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reginald scott

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that appeared in 1584 and included a

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section devoted to debunking claims

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that magicians used supernatural methods

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an early skeptic

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revealing how tricks are done exposure

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is considered unprofessional by

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magicians who believe that it ruins the

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experience of magical performances for

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audiences

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not to mention the income of magicians

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the joint

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bylaws of the international brotherhood

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of magicians

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ibm not to be confused with the company

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and the society of american magicians

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sam say that with a few exceptions such

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as being an integral part of the act

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quote members shall not reveal the modus

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operandi of magic

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effects or principles to the lay public

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if you want to look it up that's ibm

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bylaws code of ethics section 10

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paragraph

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1. the national president of the sam

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from 1917 to 1926 was

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probably the most famous magician of all

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harry houdini

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he was born eric weiss later eric weiss

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this

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is different in spelling or harry vice

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1874-1926

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so his period as president was towards

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the end of his life he first attracted

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notice in vaudeville in the u.s

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and then as harry handcuffed houdini on

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a tour of europe

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as president of sam he was keen to

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uphold professional standards

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and expose fraudulent artists

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particularly spiritualists

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whom he targeted for much of his later

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life

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he was also quick to sue anyone who

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imitated his escaped stunts

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in 1908 houdini wrote a book titled the

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unmasking of

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00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:31,840
robert it's a hyphenated word believing

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that the

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titular magician took undue credit for

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other magicians

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innovations this action might be

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surprising seeing as

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houdini actually adopted his stage name

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after having read and been impressed by

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the autobiography

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of the french magician jean eugene

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robert hudan

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1805-1871 so houdini

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took his name from huda but houdini

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later lost his

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youthful respect for the man widely

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considered the father of the modern

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style of conjuring

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robert hudan's act included mind reading

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levitation and making objects disappear

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and reappear

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his inventions were pirated by his

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trusted mechanic

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legrand who was arrested for making and

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selling

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duplicate illusions he was a pioneer

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performing

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in theaters and private parties as

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opposed to the previous practice

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which was to perform in marketplaces and

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fairs

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he retired in 1853 but in 1856

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robert hudan was asked by louis napoleon

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to come out of retirement to pacify the

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tribes in french algeria

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during this period the french army

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commanders maintained order

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in the newly conquered region they

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supervised local muslim administrations

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and the bureau arab the office of arabs

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in areas which were closed to

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colonization by europeans

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napoleon iii was worried about a

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religious group called the

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marabouts who were able to control their

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tribe with their faux magical abilities

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they advised their leaders to break

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ranks with the french

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and napoleon wanted robert huda to show

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that french magic

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was stronger robert hudan gave shows to

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theater and select audiences

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whereas his performances in europe had

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been as much for fun as anything else

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his performances in algeria were given

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straight faced

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he was a pioneer in using the latest

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technology in his act

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this included a quote light and heavy

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chest

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using magnets to control whether a box

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could be lifted or not allied to giving

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an electric shock

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if the subject tried to interfere with

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00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,200
the trick his mission was a success

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and even though he later insisted to his

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arab audience that he used magic tricks

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rather than sorcery his accomplishments

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reminded us of science fiction writer

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arthur c clarke's third law any

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sufficiently advanced technology

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is indistinguishable from magic

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which brings us back to where we started

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[Music]

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and that's the cycle of life what goes

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around from the skeptic magazine

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december 2016

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volume 36 number four and as i said you

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00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,359
can look it up

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00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,400
on the skeptic's website skeptics.com

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00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,440
and download virtually every magazine

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00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,760
in the whole 40 years history of the

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skeptic

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[Music]

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i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

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the rabbit hole i have extended

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conversations with people who've been

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involved in conspiracy culture

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i do this for a couple of reasons

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firstly because it's really interesting

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these people have great stories about

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how they fell down the conspiracy theory

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00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,320
rabbit hole what they did down there

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and what it was that helped them out

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sometimes i also talk to people who

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investigate conspiracy theories and they

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have equally fascinating stories from

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the other side

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secondly i want to understand how best

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to prevent the spread of conspiracy

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theories and misinformation which is an

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00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,079
increasing problem in a time when

870
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:10,400
alternative media is exploding the best

871
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,200
way to do this

872
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,880
is to communicate effectively with the

873
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,880
people involved and the best way to do

874
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,359
that

875
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:18,480
is with a nice long chat check it out

876
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:27,760
tales from the rabbit hole tftrh.com

877
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,839
[Music]

878
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,320
so

879
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,400
now it's time once again to peer into

880
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,700
the archives at trove

881
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,960
[Music]

882
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,320
trove.nla.gov dot iu the online resource

883
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,599
from the australian government

884
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,240
and the national library of australia

885
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,680
now over the past

886
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:55,599
five weeks we've been looking into the

887
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:58,880
unknown our continuing

888
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,040
journey into testing or investigating

889
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,680
into spiritualism by a panel way back in

890
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,400
1950 in the uk

891
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,240
last week we had an australian mystic

892
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,670
this week we continue with

893
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,880
spirit healing into the unknown a frank

894
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,560
report on the riddle

895
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,040
of spiritualism and this appeared in the

896
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:28,880
color magazine sunday sun

897
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,200
supplement on october the 1st 1950

898
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,760
and as you remember the panel have been

899
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,640
investigating

900
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:39,839
various spiritualists and seers and

901
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,160
mystics over the weeks

902
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,760
[Music]

903
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:48,800
spirit healing healing of the sick by

904
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:49,119
the

905
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:53,599
psychic passes is not

906
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,560
regarded by all psychic workers as a

907
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,800
legitimate part of what can strictly be

908
00:38:05,460 --> 00:37:59,839
considered

909
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,470
to be within the scope of spiritism

910
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:08,400
[Music]

911
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,320
yet there are spiritualists who aver

912
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:15,599
that if only spirit healing could be

913
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,119
positively probed and regulated

914
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:22,160
if only a healthy body could always be

915
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,880
made

916
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,240
to depend on a healthy spirit then this

917
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,119
single aspect of psychic activity might

918
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,800
transcend all others in its usefulness

919
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,240
to mankind mrs nan

920
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,520
mckenzie was seen at work by a medical

921
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,560
subsection

922
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:43,520
of the panel during one of her regular

923
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,079
healing

924
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,200
sessions at the malabone spiritualist

925
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,119
association in russell square

926
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:53,280
london wc2 when the doctors entered the

927
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,160
room

928
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:56,640
mrs mckenzie was working behind two

929
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,200
large

930
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,320
screens in the corner only a few of the

931
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,520
lights were on

932
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,040
the healer was working on a woman

933
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,800
patient who has a large

934
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,920
growth in her throat the guide was told

935
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,560
that the

936
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,720
doctors would like to see a

937
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,520
demonstration of spirit healing

938
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:16,640
to which the guide replied that it would

939
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,119
be

940
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,240
had

941
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:23,359
been healed at this center and they

942
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,760
could

943
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,800
testify to their recovery there

944
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:29,839
would be standing proof the guide

945
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:32,960
said to be male red indian

946
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,880
named running water continued

947
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:38,960
i am working upon the nerves and muscles

948
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,240
that comprise this part of the chest

949
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,160
and just an aside from me we've noticed

950
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:45,920
this before during these

951
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,359
weeks of investigating into these

952
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,000
reports a few weeks ago we had somebody

953
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,160
who was channeled by a spirit called

954
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,520
white feather

955
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,640
and this time we have running water and

956
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,960
i guess it reflects the sort of romantic

957
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,000
notion

958
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,960
people had and still do have about uh

959
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:06,960
aspects of other cultures in this case

960
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,960
first nations of the americas we read on

961
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,200
when the woman patient had been treated

962
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:14,800
the guide worked on dr

963
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:18,240
benden's head and spine the doctor was

964
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:18,960
asked if he

965
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,079
felt a soothing influence

966
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:24,240
running water also worked on mr

967
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,200
ainsworth's

968
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:28,000
head and back and he said he could feel

969
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,960
the warmth

970
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,400
and it was very comforting running water

971
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,200
said

972
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,680
there are too many trappings presumably

973
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,880
clothes

974
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,400
for the healing power to go through

975
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,880
properly the jacket and waistcoat

976
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,920
were not removed dr bendent

977
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,720
do you work with your left or right hand

978
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,280
or

979
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,280
doesn't it make any difference running

980
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,160
water sometimes it is with the left hand

981
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,280
sometimes the right sometimes both hands

982
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,599
sometimes the left hand is as cold as

983
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,319
ice

984
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,599
and the other hand hot it all depends on

985
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,200
the patient's needs

986
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:06,240
there is not much to see in spirit

987
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:06,960
healing

988
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,079
you know it's either the talking away of

989
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,520
the affected part

990
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,640
or the flowing in of power which

991
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,920
of course you can't see the guide was

992
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,319
asked what is the difference between

993
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:21,440
what you do

994
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,880
and what is known as vital magnetic

995
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:26,560
healing

996
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:33,359
and soul and the mind as well as for the

997
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,160
body

998
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,560
i don't know that there is much

999
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,280
difference

1000
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,280
i have never really studied vital

1001
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,800
magnetic healing

1002
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,680
doctor pendant do you find it easier to

1003
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,960
work through

1004
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,240
one who knows something about the body

1005
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,520
guide yes it is easier

1006
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,839
dr bendent do you ever work through a

1007
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,640
surgeon

1008
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,960
or any other person who doesn't realize

1009
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:57,920
it

1010
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,280
guide yes often i also

1011
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,480
help and inspire in his work a doctor

1012
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,800
in wolverhampton who knows and

1013
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,040
appreciates the help he receives

1014
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,000
i have given him many messages i have

1015
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:14,400
helped him in many ways

1016
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:18,000
dr bendence report my remarks about jj

1017
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,800
thomas

1018
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:21,359
can be applied almost exactly to this

1019
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,079
lady

1020
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,200
she has good hands for magnetic healing

1021
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,680
otherwise her method is no different the

1022
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,560
questions i

1023
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,440
asked were answered in the manner i

1024
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:32,880
expected them to be

1025
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:35,520
it is worth noting that mrs mckenzie was

1026
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:36,319
i believe

1027
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,700
a nurse or something of the sort

1028
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,760
[Music]

1029
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,160
and now we have the panel looking at

1030
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:49,280
somebody named

1031
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,040
jj thomas a spirit healer who

1032
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:55,520
claims to have cured thousands of men

1033
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,240
and women

1034
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,160
in his public meetings throughout

1035
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,720
britain and who toured germany during

1036
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:02,640
the early part of 1950

1037
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,240
is mr j.j thomas whose spirit guide

1038
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:09,520
is said to be a german doctor known

1039
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,359
now simply as dr robert

1040
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,160
when thomas was introduced to the circle

1041
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,599
he was wearing a brown

1042
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:20,640
suit gray and yellow checked shirt and a

1043
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,520
yellow tie

1044
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,960
over which he had a white surgical coat

1045
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,839
and as a aside from me you can still see

1046
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,839
this sort of thing today

1047
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,640
especially in well what i've seen in

1048
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:34,800
shopping centers or you used to

1049
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,079
where various people offer massages

1050
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,160
and they all seem to be wearing white

1051
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,400
lab coats for some reason or another

1052
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,920
we read on the seance room was equipped

1053
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,200
with a couch

1054
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:50,319
towels and a bowl of water

1055
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,920
in which from time to time thomas rinsed

1056
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,720
apparently symbolic of a surgeon's

1057
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,079
washing up

1058
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,560
after introductions had been made thomas

1059
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,960
stood at the back of the surgical couch

1060
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,680
lowered his head in prayer and

1061
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,079
apparently went into a trance at once

1062
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,240
for the following brief prayer was said

1063
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,319
in guttural fashion

1064
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,280
as though dr robert had already taken

1065
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,200
control

1066
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:20,400
oh great eternal spirit we thy servants

1067
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:20,960
ask

1068
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,040
that we may have a manifestation

1069
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,760
of the healing power and if it be thy

1070
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,720
will

1071
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,880
these children may be restored back to

1072
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,480
health and strength

1073
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:35,839
once more good afternoon

1074
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,119
thomas with eyes half closed turned

1075
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,839
to his white-coated assistant i will

1076
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,880
have

1077
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,920
the little man as my first patient

1078
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:48,960
the patient a mr ingham was led

1079
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:52,000
to the surgical table i hope you are not

1080
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:52,800
nervous

1081
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,240
you have quite a lot of courage to come

1082
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,960
and have all these people watch you i am

1083
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,400
going to tell you every

1084
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,119
complaint i can find with you every

1085
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,560
little condition

1086
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,760
just say yes or no will you do you get a

1087
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,640
little pain

1088
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:11,760
there touching patient's heart and

1089
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:14,880
spasmodic pain in the stomach

1090
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:18,160
you get a little trouble in what you sit

1091
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:19,040
on too

1092
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,800
patient not a lot dr robert

1093
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:25,920
there is a pain a dull ache

1094
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,040
all the time touching the stomach near

1095
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,400
the appendix

1096
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,359
patient yes it's about a thousand times

1097
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,880
worse than toothache

1098
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:38,240
dr robert i am going to try to operate

1099
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,040
on you

1100
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,839
and get you back to normal health

1101
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,839
there's a little throat

1102
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,960
condition something of a headache and a

1103
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,240
little trouble with

1104
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,680
the left eye also you have hurts your

1105
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,040
leg in the past

1106
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,240
patient that is perfectly right

1107
00:46:04,710 --> 00:45:59,760
dr robert you have a little spot here

1108
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,720
chest and had an x-ray i'm going to do

1109
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,760
what none of your earth doctors would

1110
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,800
dare do

1111
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,800
making the motion of cutting across the

1112
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,319
lower part of the chest

1113
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,359
this would destroy all the nerves i

1114
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,520
think the earth doctors would agree with

1115
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:18,480
me

1116
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,319
you get tired and listless

1117
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:26,160
the legs get very shaky i'm going to

1118
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,640
open

1119
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,000
your stomach then i will sew you

1120
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,040
up tighter than a scotsman's purse

1121
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,319
as you would say on earth oh

1122
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,760
we like a joke we have a sense of humor

1123
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:41,760
on the other side you know

1124
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,760
you have a pain behind the ear you have

1125
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,119
had one tooth causing you a little

1126
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,560
trouble patient that is right

1127
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:54,560
the door opened and two more helpers

1128
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:55,760
came in

1129
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,880
rosemary still in an outdoor coat took

1130
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,880
her place at the foot of the healing

1131
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,760
couch

1132
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,119
and george took his place at the head

1133
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:08,400
both placed there by the white-coated

1134
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,520
assistant

1135
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,920
after a few more pseudo-surgical hand

1136
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,440
movements by thomas

1137
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,560
the patient was asked to link up at the

1138
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,119
10th

1139
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,640
hour and finally the guide said peace be

1140
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,599
in your heart get well and thank god the

1141
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,000
second

1142
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:27,119
patient a mr nicholson was then assisted

1143
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,240
to the table

1144
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,640
and answering a query from the spirit

1145
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,440
guide said

1146
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:34,160
this also was his first experience of

1147
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:34,880
spirit

1148
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,079
healing dr robert you also have

1149
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,720
a throat condition patient that is

1150
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,160
perfectly correct

1151
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,280
dr robert you have had trouble with your

1152
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,640
appendix

1153
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,760
patient no dr robert

1154
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,480
you have had a very heavy shock in your

1155
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,200
life

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00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,839
have you been very near jumping out of

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00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,119
your skin

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00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,400
patient yes dr robert it was

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00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,520
during the conflict you had what is

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00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,040
called a very

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00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,359
narrow squeak you have come here one

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00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,800
thought in mind

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00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,680
to get well you have had trouble with

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00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,319
your

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00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,520
left ankle also up towards

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00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,880
the knee patient no dr robert

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00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:22,079
has your wife got leg trouble she has

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00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:22,720
been

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00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:25,839
going downhill too patient yes

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00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:29,920
dr robert she has a head condition

1171
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,599
migraine you are just wondering how i

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00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,720
know

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00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,480
i have a colleague who has looked at the

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00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,240
lady i have the

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00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:41,520
report back the guide explained that

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00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,200
dr robert was a non-diplom

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00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,839
spirit people come back with ordinary

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00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:49,920
names because they'd like to

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00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,599
impersonate a famous individual no one

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00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,079
on this earth could prove they were not

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00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:57,520
that person

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00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:00,960
dr robert said he has no

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00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,640
turbine no halo or wings and is never

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00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,160
likely to have them

1185
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,079
then turning again to the patient and

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00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,480
still keeping in mind the diagnosed

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00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,599
health condition

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00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,960
of the patient's wife he said both of

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00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,599
you

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00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,040
itchy feeling

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00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,400
on the tongue like a little quivering i

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00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,000
am going to put some

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00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,880
healing into you it will help more than

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00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,160
you realize

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00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,559
you have had very bad bronchial trouble

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00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,760
verging on

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00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,559
pleurisy still making cutting motions

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00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:35,839
over the patient

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00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,520
do you find the top of the head

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00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:42,720
muzzy this condition is an aftermath

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00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,680
of the chaos implying the second world

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00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,800
war

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00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:50,079
all your vitality went from you you have

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00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:50,800
had no

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00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,079
real will since patient

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00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,119
that is right dr robert i'm going to

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00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,760
operate on your solar plexus

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00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,240
suddenly the medium looked up and said

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00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,400
there was a lady among the watchers who

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00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,520
had a corn

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00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,960
or a hard callus the guide told the

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00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,960
members of the panel and their guests

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00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,760
that

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00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:14,319
already before they came in they had

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00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:14,880
been

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00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:18,319
vetted and they

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00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:19,480
had had a look at them

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00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,920
[Music]

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00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,760
and now we'll leave that part of the

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00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,599
report for this week

1221
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,920
and continue with the panel's

1222
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:32,400
examination of dr robert

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00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,599
on next week's show

1224
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,040
and that was into the unknown our

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00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,520
continuing reading of the report

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00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,760
in the color magazine sunday sun

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00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,079
supplement all the way back

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00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,920
in october 1950 and it might interest

1229
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,680
you to know that

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00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,599
in this part of the report we have more

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00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:59,280
information about the investigating

1232
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,079
panel

1233
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:02,079
the names i've been talking about for

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00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,359
some weeks now

1235
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,480
so john anderson former industrialist

1236
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,800
and graduate from glasgow university sir

1237
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:09,520
john

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00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,880
is also a philosopher poet and essayist

1239
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,800
he now devotes most of his life to

1240
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,559
research into unseen

1241
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,400
forces lady anderson who has

1242
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
psychic powers attended most of the

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00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,960
investigations

1244
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:28,160
lord amwell began life as a newspaper

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00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,640
boy

1246
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,200
and in turn became a shop assistant

1247
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,200
parliamentary agent and political

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00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,079
organizer

1249
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,400
before entering parliament he later

1250
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,480
became under secretary of state

1251
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,359
for heir and parliamentary secretary to

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00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,079
the minister of aircraft production

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00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,800
lord amwell is an active member of the

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00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,240
society for

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00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:51,920
psychical research dr lawrence s

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00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,280
bendent former assistant physician at

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00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,240
travis stock clinic dr bendent is a

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00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,240
consulting psychiatrist

1259
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,000
dr bendent has written a book on

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00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:05,680
psychism in conjunction with mrs benden

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00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,359
mrs charlotte haldane has made

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00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,160
50 reported experiments in clairvoyance

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00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,680
and telepathy

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00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,000
mrs haldane brought to the panel a

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00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,760
viewpoint of a woman

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00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,400
researcher who deeply appreciated the

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00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:21,920
scientific approach

1268
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,520
to such an investigation the reverend

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00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:28,720
canon knight a fellow of king's college

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00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,359
london

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00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,200
he also studied that the union

1272
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,520
theological cemetery new york

1273
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,319
in 1944 he was appointed canon of sin

1274
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,440
paul's cathedral

1275
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,680
the panel extended its invitation to the

1276
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,559
canon

1277
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,040
because there were aspects of spiritism

1278
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:44,800
concerning christianity

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00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,319
which merited further investigation

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00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,839
l a g strong novelist

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00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,319
essayist and journalist he is perhaps

1282
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,800
best known for his popular work in

1283
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,920
fiction and films strong is keenly

1284
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,640
interested

1285
00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:03,680
in the supernatural and this

1286
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,220
is frequently expressed in his writings

1287
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,440
[Music]

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00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:10,000
leading british surgeons were also

1289
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:11,359
invited to assist

1290
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:15,170
in the investigations

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00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,880
[Music]

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00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,960
so yes join us here again next week for

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00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:23,040
the continuing investigations of the

1294
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,160
panel

1295
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,880
with their examination of j.j thomas

1296
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:28,480
otherwise known as

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00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,349
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

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own podcast coming up on next week's

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00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,160
show

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00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,760
we continue into the unknown and uh

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00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,400
our dr robert the german doctor the

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00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,319
mysterious

1303
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,200
disembodied spirit more logical

1304
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,960
fallacies with michelle bickersmart of

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00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,839
course

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00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,480
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00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,599
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00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,280
the link to logical fallacies with

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00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:18,640
michelle biggesmar

1312
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:21,200
the youtube edition click there and you

1313
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:22,079
can see

1314
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:26,400
many logical fallacies on youtube

1315
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,720
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1316
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00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,559
return to me gets a little less

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so i sort of hope the australian dollar

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nevertheless it all works very well to

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keep the show going

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00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,119
few days i'll be posting up on the

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1343
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,280
youtube channel the last sydney skeptics

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00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,599
in the pub which was a fascinating talk

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00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,040
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00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,280
talks every month as well but around the

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of your own home

1352
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and interact but for this week this is

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richard saunders signing off

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00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,640
from sydney australia

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00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,510
hello to the afterthoughts the people

1375
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,920
who keep listening after the music

1376
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,599
including that bird the people who keep

1377
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:03,119
listening after the music is over i

1378
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,480
think i'll open the window see the birds

1379
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,240
get excited because the dice game is

1380
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,680
coming up

1381
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,880
if you haven't heard this part of the

1382
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:18,799
show before this is where i roll a die

1383
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,349
and you use yours what's that bird what

1384
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,440
i think they want three you use your

1385
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:31,200
psychic powers to predict what number

1386
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,000
will come up

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00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,079
i'll roll the dice three times psychic

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00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:35,359
powers

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00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,440
it's real

1390
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,480
you just have a guess here we go roll

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00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:43,920
number one

1392
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:50,630
it's a one i'll write that down number

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00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:51,280
one

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00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:03,040
six and maybe australian listeners can

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00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,559
identify that bird i'm not sure what

1396
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:05,440
that is

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00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,480
last one

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00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,520
three one six

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00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,720
and that's a very even spread isn't it

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00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,359
and i'll use a d10 for this week's

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00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:19,200
supplementary so

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00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,789
another three this week's winning

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numbers are